"Atmospheric CO2 levels could NOT have changed global temperatures if the temperature changes occurred FIRST"
Common Arguments from Skeptics
From Logical Science


The Climate: A Rube Goldberg Machine of Feedbacks



           This was an argument that was used against me by a popular magazine author.  It has also been used by Dr. Tim Ball and various other climate change skeptics.  It is used to debunk the ice core records shown on the right.  So basically they are saying the CO2 can't heat the earth because the heating started before the CO2 increase.  Ok, lets assume that logic is true. However, most of the skeptics will agree that methane is a very powerful greenhouse gas.  So lets look at these real life facts that everyone agrees on:
  1. There is an estimated 400 billion tons of methane trapped in permafrost ice.
  2. As a greenhouse gas, methane is more than 20 times stronger than CO2.  The sudden release of just 35 billion tons of methane would be like doubling the CO2 in the air.
  3. Ocean bottom ice will start to melt-releasing some of the estimated 10,000 billion tons of methane hydrates trapped in it.  This is like multiplying the CO2 levels in the atmosphere 285x.
  4. These deposits are showing signs that they are melting
        Now lets assume the earth magically heats up.   Whether it's caused by the sun, CO2 or something else doesn't matter.  Lets just call it magic for now.  The permafrost and methane hydrates melts which releases 10,400,000,000,000 tons of the powerful greenhouse gas called methane.   Well using the skeptics logic, we would have to conclude that methane is not a greenhouse gas because the earth was heating up before the methane was released.   Do you see the flaw in the logic?  The problem with the skeptic argument is that the climate is complex.  The climate is more like a Rube Goldberg contraption with a wide variety of forces either heating or cooling the earth.  And to assume any single one of these is the sole explanation for an event is to misrepresent how the climate works.

        Lets try another example.  This time lets pretend there is a planet that has a surface made up of entirely dark black granite and is covered in bright white snow.  White snow reflects sunlight so the planet is very cold.  One day the sun heats up just a tiny bit.  Some snow melts and exposes the black rock underneath.  That rock absorbs far more sunlight then the white snow.  The block rock heats up.  The snow around the exposed rock starts to melt too.  More rock is exposed and heats up.   And we have a cycle.  Yet for the logic to hold black rock can't absorb more light because the earth was heating up first.  Hopefully this simple analogy shows how flawed this line of logic is.  

This argument assumes that there is one and only one mechanism heating and cooling the earth.  The truth is that there are dozens of factors. A few of them are:
  1. The sun (relatively minor changes but still a factor)
  2. Our planets orbital cycles (Milankovich and other cycles).  The closer we are to the sun the hotter we get.
  3. Albedo: Dark rock absorbs far more light than a bright white glacier
  4. Water vapor: a powerful greenhouse gas.  The hotter the earth gets the more water vapor our atmosphere can hold.
  5. CO2
  6. Methane
  7. aerosols
  8. Plant respiration
You see there are dozens of mechanisms working together.  All of these mechanisms kick in at different temperatures and times.  One feedback mechanism kicks in another.  

Methan Hydrates, known as combustible snow.  10 trillion tons of this powerful greenhouse gas exist in the ocean.
"Drunken Forests" from permafrost melt  Possible source of 400 billion tons of methane.

        Some people will say "Watch what happens to your soda as it heats up, the ocean works the same way." as proof of the CO2 isn't changing temperatures.  It is true that colder water absorbs more CO2 but this is a reason NOT to warm up the oceans as warm oceans will act as a positive feedback.  The warmer the ocean gets the more greenhouse gases it will release.  And the cycle repeats itself.  If you are trying to reduce greenhouse gases the last thing you want to do is heat the ocean and cause it to release more greenhouse gases.

Triggers and Taking 5,000 Years To Warm Up

            The shifts from the ice age to a warm period took about 5,000 years to complete.  Since the supposed lag is only 800 years long this means that only the first 1/6th (800 out of 5,000) cannot be explained by CO2.  Something other than CO2 started the shift from the ice age to warm period.  We can call it a triggering event much like a trigger would fire Daniel Boone's musket.  A warming earth, just like a bullet, needs much more than a trigger to get moving.  In the musket a relatively weak trigger will either set off a stronger priming charge or spark a piece of flint.  The priming charge or flint will then ignite the gunpowder.  It is the gunpowder that does the bulk of the work.  The same sort of thing happens in nature.  Triggering events that are too weak to warm the planet by themselves but are strong enough to set other mechanisms in motion are the planets orbital (Milankovich) cycles and other cycles.   DO events also play a roll in climate change.  Such triggering events were actually predicted by James Hansen et. al. well before the ice core data even showed a possible lag.  From (Lorius et al., 1990):
"changes in the CO2 and CH4 content have played a significant part in the glacial-interglacial climate changes by amplifying, together with the growth and decay of the Northern Hemisphere ice sheets, the relatively weak orbital forcing"
Here James Hansen and others are predicting that the earths wobble (Milankovich cycle) are the triggering event.  Greenhouse gases and melting ice sheets (which exposes more sun absorbing rock and dirt) were the expected positive feedbacks.
            In any case there is some debate as to whether or not CO2 lags behind the temperature.  The most recent research (Loulergue et al.) suggests that the CO2 in the ice cores may be in unison or even leading the temperature increase.  Even though the paper has withstood several reviews it is too early to make a definitive statement on the timing.  The temperature record is retrieved from the ice which was formed from compacted snow.  The CO2 record is retrieved from the air bubbles trapped inside the snow.  Because snow takes some time to compact into ice the ice will always be slightly older than the airbubbles trapped inside it.  Estimating the exact number of years that the ice is lagging behind the air bubbles is currently under some debate.



A Review of Three Key Concepts:
Feedback vs. Forcing, 5,000 years, and triggers

        In summary there are three key concept to remember.The first is that the climate is like a Rube Goldberg machine.  One small event can set off a series of chain events.  The second is feedback vs. forcing. If a greenhouse gas lags then the gas *could* be a positive feedback that compounds warming.  Permafrost melting is one such example of this.  Here the trigger (a magically warming earth) unleashes powerful greenhouse gases from the melting permafrost.  These gases will lag behind the temperature increase but can still have a dramatic impact.  An alternative scenario is where the temperature is stable but some force is releasing greenhouse gases.  Fossil Fuel burning is an example of this.  In this case the greenhouse gases are not a positive feedback but instead they are a driving force that is the initial cause of a warming earth.  Here the trigger (fossil fuel burning is one such example) does not impact the climate directly.  The third concept is that if the greenhouse gases are increasing only during the last 90% of the warming period that means only the first 10% of the warming period can be guaranteed to be independent of the greenhouse gases.  The the 90% of the warming that occurred during a period of greenhouse gas increase must be analyzed through calculations and physics to determine how much of the warming is related to the greenhouse gas.


A few more sources:

A Few Things Ill Considered: CO2 Lags Not Leads
RealClimate: What does the lag of CO2 behind temperature in ice cores tell us about global warming?
Realclimate:The lag between temperature and CO2. (Gore’s got it right.), 27 Apr 2007
(Nature, vol 420, p 656)
New Scientist, Nicola Jones "Holes in ice threaten to let greenhouse gas escape from the ocean's depths" 14 December 2002
Stoat, On the CO2/T lag, again, May 25, 2007 5:54 PM, by William M. Connolley
Stoat, Even more T/CO2 lags, March 13, 2007 2:22 PM, by William M. Connolley
NewScientist.com news service, Climate warning as Siberia melts, 11 August 2005, Fred Pearce
Lorius, C.; Jouzel, J.; Raynaud, D.; Hansen, J.; Le Treut, H., The ice-core record, Nature 1990, 347, 139-145.


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